To "Moderator pls",This forum is not just for discussing how to pass exams. This is the post plab forum and we are discussing how immigration rules are being changed to make sure that HSMP doctors are prevented from getting training posts. It is a very important discussion as it affects the majority of IMGs on this forum. Naturally some idiots are trying to move it into a religious argument but i think we should ignore them and focus on the very important air at hand. By the way,it seems you are a british/EU citizen or have ILR otherwise you would have been as much disturbed as the rest of us are. Anyway,please say that this forum was started with the intent of helping IMGs pass exams and settle down comfortably in this country. To everyone else,BAPIO has informed the DoH that their proposals are a breach of human rights. This means that we are probably heading back to the court irrespective of the 31st October court ruling. This is quite reassuring as a court inspect will be a definite way of settling this air. They cannot forbid us from getting training jobs when we are already on the migrant scheme.
I doubt that BAPIO will return to courts. The apeal is going to cost £100,000 provided that DoH does not demand compensation and legal fees. Which is unlikely since DoH demanded £40000 from Remedy for their case against DoH. Where do you go if the apeal is not upheld. European courts. So that it will reduces the chances of EU candidates. And another court case ordain not be heard in time for 2008 recruitment. But the DoH will apply the rules after 31st October if they win the apeal. If they loose they will come up with a different set of rules and BAPIO will go through this drama again. Another £100000-200000 to the lawyers. Do you have that kind of money to give away with a change state hope of getting jobs. By the time all this finish all training jobs would have already being given. If BAPIO do win the appeal the flood gates ordain open and more doctors will head to UK. Competition for jobs will be far worse than now. For all of yu in the forum a food for thought is to read Tooke review and its statistics on who got the ST jobs. You will find less than 50% of HSMP IMGs were given jobs compared to more than 80% UK applicants who graduated from UK.
[b:c01d7b29bd]Indians in Britain may approach the axe [/b:c01d7b29bd]fix Minister Gordon Brown says plans are being finalised to control the influx of foreign workers reports Vijay Dutt. UK Bureau. Press Trust Of India A growing number of Indian doctors who have come to Britain over the past five years in response to the NHS's global appeal for staff are comfort jobless living in poverty. A dozen jobless Indian doctors can be seen at the Sri Mahalakshmi Hindu temple in east London eating dhal rice and potatoes off paper plates. A report says that instead of finding hospitals ready to accept them these doctors face unemployment poverty and discrimination while depriving their own country of their desperately needed skills. Their numbers have soared from 1,000 who passed the professional and linguistic assessment board (Plab) test - a requirement for all overseas doctors - in 1998 to 6,666 who passed in 2005 (up to 24 November). A analyse by the command Medical Council (GMC) shows that less than half of those who passed the Plab test in summer 2004 open work within six months and a quarter were still unemployed a year later. The situation is likely to be worse this year. The British International Doctors Association has accused the Government of exploiting the situation by charging doctors £500 each time they renew their visa. NHS trusts also rush doctors hundreds of pounds to take them on for a few weeks of work undergo so they can alter their chances of getting a paying job. Dr Prasada Rao head of the association and a GP in Stoke-on-Trent said: "It is absolutely diabolical. The numbers are unbelievable. These people undergo come to serve the NHS and there is chaos confusion and a total lack of care. There is no co-ordination between the Department of Health the Home Office and the command Medical Council. It is totally unacceptable."Ramesh. 29 one of the doctors at the temple qualified in Bangalore five years ago and arrived in the UK in August. He has applied for 100 jobs in anaesthetics but has had no interviews since passing the Plab test in September. He said: "Everybody has the hope of a better go and a better life. But when we come here we are disappointed and get depressed. I have lost almost all my savings. I ordain stay one or two more months and see how things bring home the bacon out."Ramesh paid £620 to take the Plab evaluate. Each job application costs £5 for the five copies of his CV that he must include. He pays £160 a month to stay in a shared dwell and visits the temple every evening to eat. "I came because Britain was short of doctors and I wanted training," he said. "There was no indication it would be so tough to get a job."Rohid. 28 from Punjab qualified as a doctor in 2002. He passed the Plab test a year ago and has made between 150 and 200 applications for clinical attachments - unpaid bring home the bacon experience. He has had one post - a three-week attachment which be £100 (paid to the NHS trust) plus £50 for the medical tests he was required to take. The GMC which administers the evaluate said it had no control over the numbers applying. The GMC has posted details of the jobs market on its website stressing that some posts attract more than 1,000 applications. There has been a sharp reduction in the numbers applying to take the test. Hospital consultants and GPs are comfort needed but the expansion in UK medical school places and the influx from overseas has created a bottleneck with too many junior doctors seeking too few training posts. The health department said it was considering allowing overseas doctors to apply for jobs from their home countries.'Indian+doctors+jobless+in+UK'
London: Employment prospects for Indians in Britain could well be hit by the recent revelation that 52 per cent of all new jobs created in the country over the past decade undergo gone to immigrants. According to Britain’s National Statistics Office. 1.1 million of the 2.1 million new jobs that undergo arisen since 1997 undergo been bagged by people of non-British origin. Another government study released a few days earlier had shown that migrant workers earned on an add up £424 a week while British workers got £395. Foreign born workers at an estimated 1.5 million comprised 12.5 per cent of Britain’s workforce compared to 7.4 per cent a decade ago.“Any move to control immigration ordain affect Indian professionals the most,” said Amit Kapadia convenor of the Asian organisation Highly Skilled Migrant Professionals. The findings have revived old fears of migrants leaving local workers jobless. They raised such a furore that Prime Minister Gordon Brown intervened on Wednesday declaring plans were being finalised to control the influx of foreign workers. These included introducing a points-based system which would give priority to immigrants with skills needed in Britain and if required shut out the others. “Over the next few months we have decided on changes.. so that people can be sure we are taking action that is necessary,” cook said.
[b:7fa1faac78]BAPIO awaits immigration rules challenge decision[/b:7fa1faac78]2007 Nov 2. Liz FoxOverseas doctors face a tighten act while the act of Appeal decides whether the DoH acted unlawfully by changing the immigration rules in March 2006. The British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO) was approve in court to appeal against the decision handed down by Mr Justice Stanley Burnton in February this year. BAPIO's barrister. Rabinder Singh QC told the three Court of Appeal judges that Mr Justice Stanley Burnton had 'erred in his conclusions'. He said: 'This case is not about the thwarted hopes of overseas-quality international medical graduates (IMGs) coming to the UK to take up employment in the NHS. It is about what fairness requires in respect of those who have committed time energy and resources in pursuit of a goal which is attainable under an existing set of rules before a decision is made to place that goal beyond reach.' Barrister Elizabeth Laing appearing for the DoH said it would have been 'impossible to consult with every IMG individually' because the group was so 'disparate'. She also insisted IMGs were still eligible to apply for service posts or jobs within the private sector and said it was 'simply wrong to say that the DoH was trying to rewrite the immigration rules'. However her arguments were robustly challenged by the judges. Lord Justice Sedley said: 'I sight it hard to see how you can deny it is some sort of top-up to the immigration rules. What is the DoH's status to allow it to do this?' Acknowledging the DoH's current consultation on plans to bring home the bacon applications from doctors from outside Europe. Lord Justice Sedley agreed a ruling would be made 'as soon as may be'. communicate the author:
[b:14e742d637]Indian doctors in UK face their moment of truth[/b:14e742d637]9 Nov 2007. 0046 hrs IST,RASHMEE ROSHAN LALL,TNNLONDON: Thousands of Indian doctors face their moment of truth on Friday in the expensive. 16-month-long legal fight to force the British government to treat non-European Union medics on a par with Europeans. The judgement in the Indians' March 1 appeal against an unfavourable High Court decision that failed to overturn the British government's punitive new immigration and work rules for Indian doctors is due on Friday. Dr Raman Lakshman of the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO) which is the bring about appellant in the case told TOI that Friday's verdict ordain be a make-or-break one. "We don't know what will happen but if we lose again like last time then it will mean that Indian doctors who came into Britain expecting fair treatment will not get it". BAPIO lost its earlier inspect on February 9 despite arguing with great force that it was wrong for Britain to suddenly -without consultation or warning - declare that work permit-free visas would no longer be issued to non-European Union doctors. Friday's judgement ordain establish whether or not several-thousand Indian doctors will have the right to bear on - and be considered on merit alongside British and Europeans - for medical training jobs in the UK. BAPIO's legal challenge which has cost the voluntary organization an estimated £ 150,000 in member-contributions had managed to stave off the complete disenfranchisement of Indian doctors because it secured an emergency court injunction in walk to force the health ministry to shortlist non-Europeans for 21,000 jobs. Lakshman said the legal battle meant that 3,000 International Medical Graduates most of them Indian were able to secure jobs in August. But he pointed out "many thousands did not and some thousands have left for India which brings the number of affected Indian doctors drink from 15,000." Ahead of Friday's judgement. Lakshman cautioned that it was difficult to predict the verdict but BAPIO was hopeful that its strongly-argued position would prevail. He pointed out that there were some encouraging signs of a strengthening Establishment backlash against the British government's recent hardline changes to immigration policy. In August the British parliament's Joint Committee on Human Rights (JCHR) published a severe report criticizing the controversial changes to immigration rules for Highly-Skilled Migrants and demanding that the affected Indians and others no longer be left in the lurch. The parliamentary committee report came two months after Britain's race relations watchdog criticized the government's failure "fully (to) comply with the requirements of the Race Equality Duty" with respect to changes to the HSMP endorse scheme.
This is a landmark victory for International Medical Graduates as the courts have open not only that the Home Office did not carry out a go Impact Assessment but also the Department of Health gave incorrect guidance to NHS employers on the way these doctors are to be treated." said Dr Satheesh Mathew. Vice Chair BAPIO (Operations). "This judgement will mean that Indian doctors and other International medical graduates in the UK will not undergo to pay the price for the poor workforce management of the Department of Health." He added " However we also believe that all UK graduates must be guaranteed postgraduate training." Dr Ramesh Mehta. President of BAPIO thanked everyone who had helped to fight the case. "The first person I would like to thank is Mr Rajendra Chaudhary whose guidance was crucial in this struggle. We would also like to thank Anthony Robinson of Linder Myers solicitors and our counsel led by Rabinder Singh QC. We also want to convey all the hundreds of doctors who contributed their hard earned money to alter this contend possible" he said. He continued "We see BAPIO's role as one of advocacy for international medical graduates and ethnic minority doctors and also an organisation that will support these doctors both at time of difficulty and to acheive clinical and professional excellence." Dr Buddhdev Pandya OBE. Corporate Advisor to BAPIO said he was overjoyed by the ruling. He had been instrumental in setting up BAPIO Action Limited a limited affiliate set up specifically to look into legal avenues for unfair treatment of doctors from the Indian subcontinent. BAPIO was set up in 1998 and represents the interests of about 25,000 doctors from the Indian subcontinent who work in the NHS. At this time of joy. BAPIO remembers with gratitude Dr Imran Yousaf who joined BAPIO in this struggle for justice and whose life was lost as a result of rules brought forth with no concern for their effects on doctors like him.
Indian docs win legal battle in UKLONDON: Thousands of Indian doctors here are celebrating the surprise win of their legal challenge to the British government to force it to interact them on a par with European medics. The British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO) which was the lead appellant in the case said it was exuberant that the London High Court had upheld its appeal that the British health ministry had unlawfully decreed non-European Union doctors be discriminated against when it comes to jobs. Dr Raman Lakshman. BAPIO policy vice-chair said. "We are delighted. This is a truly happy Diwali for thousands of doctors who undergo been through 18 months of unimaginable evince. Doctors on the HSMP came to the UK on the understanding they are required here and will be treated fairly. This judgment means these International Medical Graduates can expect to be treated on merit for the 2008 recruitment process and onwards." BAPIO president Dr Ramesh Mehta said his organisation which claims a 6,000-strong membership and says it represents a further 25,000 Indian doctors in the UK illustrated that "BAPIO's role (was) one of advocacy for international medical graduates and ethnic minority doctors". The appeal was heard by three Lord Justices. Sedley. Maurice Kay and Rimer all of whom were unanimous in agreeing that the guidance issued by the Department of Health on treatment of non-European doctors on the Highly-Skilled Migrant Programmed was not lawful. BAPIO which late on Friday was celebrating a well-deserved victory after a gruelling and expensive. £150,000 case said the judgment meant that Indians and other International Medical Graduates can henceforth expect to be treated on merit as they compete for jobs with UK and EU nationals for postgraduate medical jobs. BAPIO said that the judgment was "historic" and will undergo a significant force on the careers of thousands of International Medical Graduates". The favourable judgment came after the Indians' launched a March 1 appeal against an unfavourable High Court decision that failed to turn the British government's punitive new immigration and work rules for Indian doctors. It reverses BAPIO's sense of hopelessness after it lost its earlier case on February 9 despite arguing with great force that it was wrong for Britain to suddenly without consultation or warning decree that work permit-free visas would no longer be issued to non-European Union doctors.
U. K court overturns discriminatory rules Hasan Suroor Happy end to a long battle LONDON: The High Court’s decision on Friday to hold Britain’s overseas doctors’ appeal against rules that require medical graduates from outside the European Union to obtain bring home the bacon permit before coming to Britain is expected to benefit thousands of overseas doctors. Many of them were facing the prospect of having to return home and apply again after being told last year that they would be subject to the new procedure under which work permits to doctors from non-EU countries would be given only against specific vacancies for which suitable “home grown” doctors were not available. Widespread protests The change of rules had sparked widespread protests and the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO) went to court demanding that the new rules not be applied retrospectively to those who were already in Britain either in training or temporary employment. Doctors said they felt “betrayed” by the sudden dress in rules which amounted to a breach of the conditions under which they came here. The British Government however claimed that it was simply responding to demand for jobs from British medical graduates whose number had risen considerably in recent years. Diwali enable Friday’s ruling was the result of an challenge against a previous court judgment which had gone in favour of the government. BAPIO hailed the verdict as a “Diwali” gift.“We are absolutely delighted. This is a truly happy Diwali for thousands of doctors who have been through 18 months of unimaginable stress. Doctors on the HSMP came to the U. K on the understanding they are required here and will be treated fairly. This judgment means that these International Medical Graduates can evaluate to be treated on merit for the 2008 recruitment affect and onwards,” said Dr. Raman Lakshman. Vice-Chair for Policy for BAPIO. Dr. Ramesh Mehta president of BAPIO stressed his organisation’s commitment to the rights of ethnic minority doctors.
UK Doctor,Without examining you I see you are suffering from salt deficiency. Either you are not competent enough to get through on merit or you are a specialist beggar expecting freebies from the do work go around masters. Point 1: Talking of tax payers' money. I believe their money will be better spent rather than trying to educate people of your calibre. Point 2: Whilst its true that you cost the taxpayer 250,000 Quid an IMG who takes your post comes free and the net loss to the tax payer is nil. I am sure you wont understand mathematics as seeing your pathetic cry for jobs. I can imagine the kind of education you had. What drugs were you on buddy????Point 3: Bapio has won the appeal. I guess you should stop posting your vile comments if you undergo a sense of shame. inform4: In No other professional handle in Britain low lifes like you cry for job guarantees. You need to work hard buddy and claim your rightful dues. Point 5: Check out who is the world's richest man! Gone are the raj days buddy. Come out of your stupour. Post your address and contact details. I will buy your house your fathers' house and his fathers accommodate in one shot. Just dont think every IMG come's here for a 9 to 5 job and then flee to the pub and have free sex and drinks at the cost of the taxpayer. Hope this wake up label will keep you awake for the rest of 2007. You want more. I shall not disappoint. Lets see what stuff you are made of. SpinDoctors'Doctor
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