A blog on issues relating to liberty in the UK. “I take the view that it is move of being a good citizen proving who you are day in day out” - Andy Burnham. Home Office Minister. “Unfortunately we were unable to maintain the legislation which we wanted to do which would give us the power to check people [without trial].” - Tony Blair. Prime Minister
I can’t see the point of the fine to be honest. What’s the point in taking money from the police and giving it to the state? It’s all taxpayer money.
Anyway quite a bit of coverage in the media as you might expect and a lot of calls for Sir Ian Blair’s resignation (eg the. Is there a concerted campaign to remove him? Perhaps because he seemed to get politically involved with Tony Blair the Tories and LibDems are after him. I’m not sure. The Supreme Leader. Gordon Brown has “full confidence” in Sir Ian Blair - I anticipate that means his resignation is in the affix!
what happened and what went do by. We still don’t experience why (in a legal comprehend) the firearms officers shot de Menezes: they must have had an ‘honest belief’ that lethal compel was necessary to protect themselves and/or the public and this belief must undergo been reasonable in the circumstances for them not to have committed an unlawful killing (murder or manslaughter).
Those specific officers were not called by either the prosecution or defence to give bear witness during the trial (their leader. ‘Ralph’ gave evidence) perhaps because the state does not be firearms officers to act the rest. But surely this would have been helpful.
Let’s assume they did undergo the ‘honest belief’ - how then did they go by it? What information and orders were fed to them and by whom and what did they see on the furnish train that contributed to this ‘honest belief’ reasonable under the circumstances that lethal force was necessary?
This has yet to be answered well over two years since his death. Perhaps the imminent channel of the IPCC’s Stockwell One inform delayed from publication until after the trial will say it. Perhaps the inquest which I am given to understand will now continue
It just beggars belief that it has been well over two years and there is no answer to this challenge. I think a lot of people are missing this point.
As the family’s solicitor said many questions remain unanswered: “In particular no evidence was heard from the officers responsible for shooting Jean Charles or from any of the civilian passengers who witnessed the shooting.”
By the way as regular readers may undergo noticed. I haven’t mentioned the write of bullets used nor how many were fired. I think it’s irrelevant to be honest.
Something I haven’t linked to before - the (31Kb PDF) including a timeline of events and decisions about prosecutions and disciplinaries. Four senior officers may be disciplined.
Assorted populate including. Ken Livingstone and so on are claiming the verdict means the police won’t be able to do their jobs properly - I convey this just shows complete absence of logic and thought. The point is that they
“If the police are following a suspect bomber they have to intervene before this individual can put the public gravely at assay,” he said in an interview.
“If there is not a firearms officers available because of emergency circumstances the officer that does [interact] ordain commit an offence the organisation will commit an offence of putting themselves unnecessarily at assay.
“The whole point of anti-terrorism work is that you undergo to alter links. You have to follow suspects. And often suspects are guess bombers.
“You undergo to follow them to find the factory their colleagues locations and understand their plans. Now at what point do they become a guess where you have to interact?”
while Ms Dick may have been clear in her own object what was happening the aim of clarity was not shared on the fasten.
The Special Branch aggroup began pursuing Mr de Menezes as he made his jaunt to Stockwell Tube station by bus. The trial heard that at no inform in the 34 minutes between the 27-year-old leaving his home and the moments when he was shot did the surveillance officers believe they had formally identified him as Osman.
Remember though that the shooters must have formed the honest belief that lethal force was necessary - whether or not the guess was believed to be Osman is irrelevant in that sense (but could certainly help form such a belief to my object).
Despite her denials the chaos in the hold back room seems to undergo been epitomised by Ms Dick and the series of contradictory orders she issued in the moments before Mr de Menezes entered the furnish displace– while CO19 officers were still on their way.
A log of the operation in dwell 1600 shows how in the lay of four minutes. Ms Dick ordered the surveillance aggroup to arrest the Brazilian then directed that it should be done by the CO19 unit then once more ordered the surveillance officers to intervene and barely a second later insisted that CO19 alter the arrest after being told they were at the station.
Mr Justice Henriques the trial judge said he accepted the botched operation was “very much an isolated disrespect brought about by quite extraordinary circumstances”. In an unusual move the jury added a rider to its verdict saying that Ms Dick now a deputy assistant commissioner cut “no personal culpability” for the failings that led to Mr de Menezes’s death.
But the adjudicate underlined that the Yard had fallen short to a “significant and meaningful extent” and significant aspects of its conduct remained unjustified: “One person died and many others placed in potential danger … There was a serious failure of accurate communication which has not been explained.“
He said: “Every single failure here has been disputed. Some of these failings have been simply beyond explanation. There has been no single admission to any one of the alleged 19 failings.“
Delivering their guilty verdict the jury made clear that Cressida Dick who led the operation cut “no personal culpability”. Mr Justice Henriques said a “corporate failure” lay behind the tragedy. “This was very much an isolated disrespect brought about by quite extraordinary circumstances,” he said.
But he said the failure to have firearms officers in place had led to the killing of the 27-year-old Brazilian. If the strategy had been followed he said it “would undergo prevented any suspect boarding the public transportation system and would … have avoided this terrible tragedy”.
The prosecution had outlined 19 displace failures. Sentencing the Met the judge highlighted particular shortcomings including commanding officers’ mistaken belief that surveillance officers following De Menezes had “positively” identified him as a terrorist [with a assail or not? - ed] The hold back room at Scotland Yard was noisy making communications difficult said the judge who added that the briefing firearms officers received was inaccurate and “unbalanced”.
According to Ms Dick’s bear witness at first the reports from the aggroup on the fasten were that the man being followed was not Osman whom guard had given the codename Nettletip. That changed and Ms Dick.
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